Tag: Loki

….does anyone else notice parallels between Odin kidnapping and “saving” Loki, and Thanos kidnapping and “saving” Gamora?  Objectively, without a doubt, Thanos was the worse parent.  But so many people draw parallels between Loki and Nebula, and Thor and Gamora, because of birth order, and which sibling was favored. 

Yet I wonder if anyone has ever considered the way that both Odin and Thanos are “benevolent fathers” to the kingdoms they slaughter and colonize, and the way they took the ultimate ransom by indoctrinating children of those conquered peoples in their own culture, remaking them in their own image. There is no greater “power move” against a culture you conquer–it’s even got echoes of eugenics.  

Yeah, on the real I’m these bitches’ idol
Gotta be dumb to make me your rival
‘Cause I’m too powerful, yeah you not powerful
So say your prayers ’cause you ’bout to die slow
Die slow, die slow
Jealousy is a disease,
d i e   s l o w
Die slow, die slow
Tell her that jealousy is a disease,
die slow
-Nicki Minaj 

“ ‘Choose my words wisely’? Oh, but, my dear Thanos:                                                          I   h a v e.” 

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//Time Magazine: “It turns out Loki’s not so bad after all.”

Me: *who has been extrapolating complex theories of Loki’s motives, pains, trauma-induced psychological disorders, and real-life-applicable struggles for identity in a prejudiced society for the past 7 years*  You don’t FUCKING say. ಠ_ಠ 

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Thor watching Loki die.

FUCK THESE NEW GIFS ARE HEaRtBRAeKInG

Oh god! No! 😭

It’s like they pulled out every possible way to make that scene hurt. The fact that Thor is bound and gagged and unable to even express himself at that moment, let alone do anything to help his brother… it’s just too much!

Can I actually just…draw attention to the fact that his gagging device looks a hell of a lot like the one they constructed for Loki back in Avengers Assemble? 

I do NOT say this to laugh at Thor’s expense or to suggest that Thor “deserves” to watch his brother die after taking Loki back to Asgard gagged.  

Rather I think this is a poignant reflection upon the way that Loki’s entire identity crisis and subsequent tragically misguided behavior–which led to Loki meeting Thanos, which led to Loki spiraling further, which led to the years of estrangement from the brother now watching him DIE TO SAVE HIM–is based on being metaphorically stripped of a voice and a reflection in Asgardian culture, and within his nuclear family dynamic (”You and your father cast long shadows,” Frigga told Thor).  Loki was silenced all his life, and he snapped the moment he learned his hated heritage could be an underlying reason for his “unworthiness.”  

And it’s a pretty agonizing, yet poetically apt, reminder, that in the very moment that Loki overcomes any kind of selfish, or self-preserving, tendency, forgiving Thor for years of being silenced, and dies in the process, Thor is similarly robbed of his voice.  

As if it’s only when Loki commits the ultimate sacrifice that Thor can finally fully empathize with being so totally disempowered.  

Is it actually canonically stated in the movies that Thor is the older brother? Thor being older is pretty much universally accepted by the fandom, but I was thinking that he can’t be TOO much older, or he would’ve known that Loki is adopted (he would’ve seen Odin bringing back the baby, noticed that his mother was never pregnant, etc.) He must’ve been a baby or a very young child at the time.

//I don’t think it’s ever stated except in that Odin says in Thor 1 “My first-born” at Thor’s would-be coronation, and while I’m given to believing this is fact, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is, since, well, Odin lies, a LOT, lmao; we still don’t know if he rescued or stole baby Loki from Jotunheim, as his accounts and Laufey’s conflict, and what’s more, we never new Hela even existed because she was imprisoned presumably before Thor was even born.

Because of my studies in birth-order dynamics, which only amount to an undergrad psychology minor and therefore are not extensive–but give me at least a ROUGH idea of things– I still believe that Thor is the older sibling, but ONLY by the equivalent of a human year, maybe two.  He wouldn’t be able to recall anything clearly from that young of an age.

It’s interesting, actually: Thor in some ways acts more like a youngest sibling: less goal-oriented, more socially gregarious, entitled and sheltered from criticism and responsibility. At the same time, Loki acts like a younger sibling in that he feels an anxiety or obligation to diffuse tension with humor and play peacemaker. And the way Thor hazes Loki (sometimes good-naturedly, sometimes not) everything from “know your place, brother,” to “Get Help” to “I thought you liked tricks” to the trope of no one can fuck up my baby brother but me and if you look at him cross-eyed I’ll rip off your arms, is very much big  brothery.  

I guess what I’m saying is, whether or not Thor is actually, chronologically, older than Loki, both of them THINK he is, and so does the whole kingdom of Asgard, and so everyone has operated accordingly in all the ways that functionally matter since their young childhood. 

What confuses me more, and I used to have a theory about this but honestly can’t remember, is how Frigga feigned a pregnancy since one night she didn’t know Loki existed, and then the next, did.  The kingdom obviously had no idea of his heritage or he would have learned it before he was an adult.