I went to helshade’s blog when I saw that post you reblogged, and they literally said (about the myth in which Loki transforms into a mare): “the whole point of that story is basically that Loki got raped by that fucking horse and that it was exactly what he deserved for risking the safety of Ásgarðr again that week” so from now on I wouldn’t respect or take seriously a single word this person has to say about Loki – ANY Loki, for that matter.

// ……oh wow. Yeah time to block I think. If they’re saying that the point of the myth is that anyone ever deserves to be sexually assaulted and that they agree with that, then… Yikes.  But how horribly salient to today’s problem with rape culture, far more than with anything the ancient Norse stood for.  

I will say that I’m not going to fling around condemnation when I haven’t seen the post with my own eyes, but the other post is sufficient for me to produce distance from that particular Tumblr user.  Others can do as they are comfortable doing. ❤ 

itsallavengers:

probsjosh:

stream:

jchamphero:

zooweamama:

stream:

dorkasaurus-spiritus:

parks-and-rex:

kevinburnsred:

stream:

“But, you see, it was just fate that you survived it…you had one last golden egg to give.

always thought that Obadiah looked like Thanos

*pants nervously* OHhhhhHHHHHhhH lordieeeee

I’ve also noticed that both of them have a similar line in their movies

Obadiah: I never had a taste for this sorta thing, but I must admit, I’m deeply enjoying the suit.

Thanos: fun isn’t something one considers when balancing the universe, but this? Does put a smile on my face.

Obadiah didn’t die in the arc reactor explosion but instead was warped to Titan memory wiped and grew into a big purple man

okay but….

The theory grows

i’d actually like to draw attention to the fact that these villains are similar in that they are deeply violative of the personal and emotional space, even the bodies, of others.  they both literally reach into other people and remove their life source; they both believe that their self-serving ends are also for a “greater good,” be it an arms company’s survival or the universe.  both are essentially serial rapists, even if they do not necessarily commit the sexual act.  what they do steals and violates from the most intimate parts of others. they are predators. 

and the people who survive their assaults are very, very strong, and very, very brave.  

I’ve seen people claim Loki threatened Natasha with rape in The Avengers. My memory’s rusty, is that true?

//I think it’s unfortunately true that that can be extrapolated from a very vague passage of dialogue, in which Loki uses psychological warfare, threatening to use Clint to kill Natasha: 

“I won’t touch Barton. Not until I make him kill you! Slowly, intimately, in every way he knows you fear! And then he’ll wake just long enough to see his good work, and when he screams, I’ll split his skull! This is MY bargain, you mewling q**m!” 

However it’s important here to distinguish a few things:

1) “Not until I make him KILL you…” implies brutal physical torture, and murder, by a trained assassin, not rape.  

2) Loki is stuck in a glass cage and he is using whatever weapons in his arsenal to try to rattle Natasha.  He’s learned from observing humans that gendered slurs and violent threats is an effective way to coerce them when at a personal disadvantage.  In other words, this is a strategy, not necessarily a truth. 

But let’s say that IS what he meant, in which case … . 

3) “Slowly and intimately” can be taken as sexual, but that’s the point at which it’s important to note that Joss Whedon’s writing is rife with unnecessary misogynistic tropes, despite his performative allyship as a “feminist” (I take issue with his self-proclaimed feminism, STRONG issue, as an intersectional feminist).  For instance, despite claiming to be fond of Natasha, he finds a way to slip “c*nt” past the censors as “qu*m,” which is an Old English version of the same word.  Later, in Age of Ultron, he makes Natasha see herself as a monster because she was sterilized, as if a woman not having children–the traditional “purpose” of the female gender– is the worst thing can can possibly happen to her.  He also makes a tasteless joke about Bruce falling face-first into Natasha’s boobs. 

 The measure of misogynistic tropes in a film is as simple as asking the question, “Was that necessary? Did it add to the plot even remotely?  Did it enrich the character at all?” And if your answer is no, as it repeatedly is in the case of Natasha, you’ve got yourself a Problematic Writer. 

Using rape threats in a work of media against women when said threads are entirely unnecessary is a symptom of misogyny in the writers, not the characters.  

In other words: the problem is not Loki, who, in all four of his other film appearances, HANDLED BY WRITERS OTHER THAN JOSS WHEDON, shows women nothing but respect–particularly his mother, Frigga, who raised him and whom he literally, canonically, emulates.  It is highly implausible for any man (and Loki is actually genderfluid) to be such a misogynist that he would ever threaten rape if his highest role model was a woman, and if he respects women in turn.  Rather, the problem is the writer at the helm of Avengers Assemble.

So how do you move forward from this?  Threats of rape can never be taken lightly.  There is no more profound violation of a human being.  But what people claiming “Loki threatened rape” need to do is be aware of the source of that highly out-of-character moment.  What was the purpose of having a villain enter that particular terrain?  Whose agenda is being pushed here, and forced onto a character’s dialogue?

I personally wholesale reject that entire scene.  Loki is not  Kilgrave from Jessica Jones, whose entire character centers on violating another person’s autonomy, mental, physical, emotional, and sexual.  No matter who wrote Kilgrave, he would still be a serial rapist. Not true with Loki.  

I invite others to respond to this post by sourcing the many incidences of Joss Whedon’s misogyny toward his female protags, including, for instance, having Cordelia’s actresss (Buffy, Angel) fired because she became pregnant.  

Always, always ask: what’s the agenda of the creative team manufacturing a product for your consumption? Human beings always have an agenda.  Sometimes their goals are less honorable than others.  

rifa:

indoomitably:

Let’s also focus less on how Emma Watson’s taking parts in problematic films, which she seems to be doing largely because her managers tell her it’s the only way to make it past Harry Potter, and more on how James Franco, Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill Jay whatsisface, and Cahnning Tatum made uncomfortable sex jokes and rape jokes around her until she was so uncomfortable she left halfway through filming This is the End- but by contract had to still be in the movie.

Let’s talk about how Evangeline Lilly signed onto the Hobbit movies on the condition that her character not be in a love triangle, and everyone involved rewrote the character so that she was, and she couldn’t leave. Let’s talk about how actresses are signed into films whose final products are the opposite of what they want to be a part of, and still wind up on-screen playing terrible, problematic, sexist roles, or even being sexually harassed and assaulted while on set. Let’s talk about the implications of an industry where women have no control over the part they play or the story they’re used to tell, and are forced to make difficult decisions about which producers and directors will and won’t completely screw them over.

Read that again please.

krxs100:

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Just a Reminder that Donald Trump is and always has been an abuser.  A third woman has now accused Mr. Trump of rape.

A woman filed a  lawsuit claiming that when she was thirteen years old she was held as a sex slave to Mr. Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein. The woman claimed to have a witness, “Tiffany Doe,” to the incidents. Mr. Epstein is a notorious  “billionaire pedophile” who is now a Level 3 registered sex offender – the most dangerous kind, “a threat to public safety” — after being convicted of misconduct with another underage girl.

Mr. Trump has a long history of debasing women he’s worked with, crossing the line on a regular basis. He’s taken lifelong joy in objectifying women, including his proclamation: “Women, you have to treat ‘em like shit.”

He’s also 

been accused of worse than just misogynist language. Two prior women have accused Mr. Trump, in court documents, of actual or attempted sexual assault. (Mr. Trump denies all the allegations.) In fact, Under oath, Ivana Trump accused Mr. Trump of a violent rape. First was Ivana Trump, Donald Trump’s first wife, who said under oath in a 1989 deposition that he had violently attacked her, ripped out her hair and forcibly penetrated her without her consent.

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shredsandpatches:

gehayi:

jessicajones:

You deranged prick. You’ve never loved anyone in your repulsive life.

I fucking love this.  This is perfect.

Why? Because Kilgrave is a complete monster. Everyone knows it, including the narrative of the show. He is stated to be a rapist. Those who survive their encounters with him have PTSD. Some are wrecked beyond their ability to recover, physically or emotionally. He is a destroyer of lives…and the show demonstrates this by taking the toxic trope of the alpha male to its logical extreme.

Zebediah Kilgrave fits the mode of the alpha male amazingly well. He’s rich. He’s physically attractive. He has a Tragic Past in that he has been poor and unloved. Most of all, whatever he wants people to do, they do. They cannot help but obey. This is his defining characteristic. You want to do this, he tells people. You love Chinese food. You want to invite me in. You want to play your cello for me–or donate both kidneys. You want to commit murder. You want to kill your parents and smile.

And he stalks, emotionally abuses and rapes the heroine…while he frames his behavior as loving and romantic. It does not occur to him that taking away a person’s will and compelling them to eat what he wants, wear what he wants, move as he wants, and fuck as he wants are all violations. The last example is literal rape; the rest is psychological.

More often than not, the rich alpha male with the Tragic Past who falls for the seemingly ordinary person (who is, of course, actually extraordinary) will be treated as the romantic hero. Look at Hannibal. Look at the Fifty Shades series. What does it say when so many romances in books, movies and TV present controlling the other’s behavior, manipulating their thinking, and relentlessly pursuing someone who clearly wants either a break or to flee outright as protective, guiding and passionate?  What does that do to the audience’s perception of what love is supposed to be like? How much toxic entitlement do those stories reinforce?

Aside from his mind control being literal instead of figurative,

Zebediah Kilgrave is not unusual. He is an example of a common type in fiction   The only unusual thing about  Kilgrave is that–for once–such toxic behavior is not normalized, and the narrative presents him as the destructive, damaging, manipulative monster that he is.  

This is the first time that I can recall not only having the narrative agree with me that a person like Kilgrave is primordial slime, but also having it point out that the media reinforces the image of control, manipulation and emotional abuse as loving. Entitled assholes like Kilgrave are scum…but they are not operating in a vacuum.

Reblogging for commentary.

hey I have a very personal question and don’t feel obligated at all to answer: TRIGGER WARNING OF RAPE so I was thinking about Loki under Thanos’s captivity and started to wonder. do you think Loki was abused sexually during his time there? again do not feel the need to answer if it makes you or your muse uncomfortable

//You know nonnie, I was gonna write a much longer response to this, but life got in the way, and coming back to the question tonight, 3 months later (god I’m sorry for the delay, it was unintentional ;; ;; ) I think I’ll just say this:

This is a question of creative responsibility.  

Entertaining thoughts of this nature is a slippery slope. Just see Game of Thrones for proof (no offense to GoT fans, I used to be one, but yikes, they don’t do a good job handling rape).  It puts we, the writers, both official and fan, in a difficult, well nigh impossible position. How do you portray rape? How do you portray a character’s reaction to rape?  And when you ask yourself these questions, many more spawn from it:

–Is it necessary to show the crime taking place, or does that dehumanize the victim and make her just a thing something bad is happening to?  
–Does it in ANY way advance the character’s plot or characterization to make the abuse sexual in nature, as opposed to emotional, psychological, and physical: or are we just turning to sensationalism for shock value?
–Does the way we’re writing this glorify or condemn rape?  You’d be surprised how often people confuse the two.  
–Can we make the character sympathetic and their plight horrifying without including rape? If so, we should. 
–And so on.

From the MOMENT you choose to put rape into a character’s backstory, you are branding them for life with perhaps the worst crime one autonomous individual can commit against another.  And you will be responsible–forever!–for conscientiously portraying the RESULTS of that trauma.  Not for one moment can you slack off.  Because this is a crime that has taken millions of victims worldwide since the beginning of civilization.  It’s a problem for which one needs a healthy respect.

I present to you two cases:  the women of Game of Thrones, vs. Anna Bates in Downton Abbey.  The former was done poorly indeed. The latter was done well.  Examine these two.  Decide for yourself (because I really can’t answer this for you, as it is far too personal, and you must examine your own comfort zone) if you are capable of envisioning and executing the latter.  Does it add to Loki’s story to make the abuses Thanos inflicted sexual, or is that gratuitous?  Ask yourself that tough question and I think you’ll arrive at the answer that I intend.  

Hello there. I’m quite a fan of your characterisation of Loki and your meta, and as such I was wondering what your thoughts are on an issue that has began to put me off this fandom? I’ve noticed there’s a tendency, especially in fic, to turn Loki into a borderline abusive persona, under the context of romance, and in all honesty it’s quite disturbing to me as at times people don’t seem to realise they’re doing it :/ please please don’t feel you have to reply to this question if it upsets you <3

//I have nothing to say except that I fully agree with you.  Nowhere in canon is it proven that Loki would be anything  but respectful to his lovers, male or female (he is canonically bisexual btw folks, which many fans seem to inexplicably erase, and I play him as pansexual, so first of all, can we please STOP with the hyper machismo hetero Loki crap that is so very fanon? Thanks.) 

What people don’t grasp is that Loki is sympathetic to Othered people because he himself is both a potent metaphor for a person of color with internalized racism (a Jotun in Asgard) who has NO representation in the “media,” no mirror, except that which is dehumanizing (most often the Jotnar are referred to as “monsters”), genderfluid (CANON!) and LGBTQIA, not to mention feminine in a society that scorns the feminine practice of witchcraft as mere “tricks” and “deceit.”  Loki is power hungry BECAUSE LOKI WAS DENIED ANYTHING LIKE PERSONAL AGENCY, particularly when he found out the truth of his heritage. He is not an abusive murderer for the lolzies. It’s an overcompensatory ritual act on his part, trying to “rule” some kind of conceptual, ideological “throne.”  This is not the profile of an abuser.  It’s the profile of a victim who’s fighting back.  It’s almost like saying that when black people hate white people, it’s “reverse racism.” NO SUCH THING EXISTS. Everything about Loki is a REACTION. It’s a RETALIATION.  And yes, you can persuasively argue that Loki is behaving cruelly and unreasonably. Absolutely, what he does to others in the name of vengeance is WRONG.  But the important thing to note for the purposes of this Ask is that it is NOT IN HIS NATURE TO ABUSE:  his hostility is a RESPONSE to the lies and hatred of those who had power first.

Enter also the FACT that Frigga raised Loki. FRIGGA, the Queen of Asgard. The emblem of classiness and female charisma.  Frigga taught BOTH Loki and Thor how to be gentlemen.  And Loki WORSHIPED his mother.  You cannot tell me that someone with such a positive and influential  female role model would go around raping and abusing women.  

Many people at this juncture cite the Natasha Romanoff “mewling quim” incident. First of all, I’m calling bullshit and citing this as Joss Whedon’s highly problematic form of “feminism” coming into play, and his delight at slipping a slur for women past the censors. But also, Loki is in a tactically disadvantageous position in this scene, stuck in a fishbowl on the enemy’s stronghold, and while he wanted to be there, he is not going to give quarter to someone he recognizes as perhaps one of his most dangerous enemies (Natasha, who shares many of Loki’s personality traits and battle skills–psychological warfare, stealth, etc).  In that scene, Loki is using WHATEVER AMMO HE CAN from Clint’s knowledge base to scare the shit out of Natasha and win that round of Mindfuck.  I do not for one moment believe that Loki would actually force Clint using the Mind Gem Scepter to rape Natasha.  Not for one moment.  

But here’s a creepier element to the mewling quim incident.  Fans and actors in MCU (and I sadly include Tom Hiddleston himself in this) turn that moment of violent threat into a joke, even though it LITERALLY means “simpering cunt.” People need to realize that this is a symptom of BAD WRITING AND CHARACTERIZATION OF LOKI, N O T OF LOKI. Where fandom gets into problems, invariably, is when fans can’t step back from the world that’s been built and say, “A specific writer with specific goals and biases plotted this scene out, for s pecific actors with specific character interpretations to act out.”  It’s not some kind of cool kinky tribute to Loki to celebrate this awful moment.  It really is not.   And a lot of fans like to write all kinds of Loki fantasy posts, here and on other social media platforms, that capitalize on Loki calling them a mewling quim as some part of a seductive game of foreplay.  Now, there are dimensions to this.  If people set this up as an S&M scenario that’s fully consensual, and are somehow turned on by being called demeaning misogynistic things…then…uh, okay, not my cup of tea, but at least it’s not abuse per se.  But the lines of consent get REALLLLYYYYY blurred here, and as you yourself say, it can get very dangerous to fantasize about something that is INHERENTLY lacking in consent, and to use a character who is by NO canonical standards an abuser to fulfill an unhealthy vicarious fantasy is really Not Cool™. 

I have no idea if I helped you or just babbled uselessly at you but I hope this makes you feel better. Trust me, you are not alone. I am majorly squicked by how people outright fetishize Loki, and bend his IC-ness MAJORLY into super problematic tropes of rape and violence to do so.