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Just gonna leave this here…..

(Defo not my making/edit, but an awesome one. Credit to whoever made this – and if you see this hit me up and I will ‘@‘ where credit is due! Found this on Pinterest and just fell in love)

@icyxmischief ^^SIGYN AND LADY LOKI

//Anyway holy poo, there are only 3 messages left in my inbox for the first time in seven years, and I’m down to 10 drafts too.  I have a pounding eyestrain headache however, so I’m gonna take a break ❤ 

What are your thoughts on Thor/Odin relationship?

AHHH another question that got lost, forgive me!

Thor and Odin’s relationship is every bit as abusive as Odin and Loki’s.  The  thing is, Odin treated Thor and Loki differently and therefore distorted their self-image in different ways. Ultimately, he ensured that both of them were entirely emotionally dependent upon him as the “all-knowing” father figure.  I’ve already extensively covered how Odin twisted Loki’s self-image, so I’ll focus, as you request, on Odin and Thor.  

Odin, who is a classic Narcissist, turned Thor into a borderline Narcissist and something of a charming bully, who in turn (unwittingly, I believe) perpetuated Odin’s style of abuse on Loki (and others).  Thankfully, Thor’s character development has led Thor away from these tendencies (with notable regression in Ragnarok, which I still find kind of disturbing, since the actor and director seem to have felt the portrayal held more integrity to the character :/ ), as well as, I believe, Thor’s innate capacity for goodness, and his earnest desire to champion underdogs.  

But Odin remained a Narcissist to the end, and made it as hard as possible for Thor to break that cycle.  

Odin made Thor to be a complete extension of himself, to the point that film critics have called out Thor as a protagonist who is quite “reactionary” (that is, someone who doesn’t cause plot, but rather, reacts to things that happen to him, making him somewhat wooden as a character of focus in his first two films, and even offering Loki the opportunity to steal the show multiple times by being, comparatively, plot-driving).   Odin repeatedly told Thor and Loki that both could contend fairly for the Throne of Asgard, while full well knowing that his eldest and legitimate heir would become the next king.  In doing so he emotionally isolated the brothers from each other, making each more dependent on HIM and on HIS idea of “worthiness” (using Mjolnir greatly to this end) and with repeated microaggressions toward Loki, made it clear that he favored Thor (in large part because Thor naturally held traits that make a person a “good” Asgardian: physically active, forthright and plain-spoken, masculine, etc).  

Thusly isolated, Thor became the person we see in Thor 1 and, partially, in Ragnarok: convinced that he was infallible, that with enough charm and swagger and cajoling he can get whatever he wants, that people SHOULD give him whatever he wants.  He has no sense of boundaries and he takes even dear lifelong friends’ welfare for granted.  What Odin did to Thor is in fact the pivotal element of Thor’s growth from a spoiled arrogant bully to an earnest, caring champion of justice.  It’s the rock-bottom starting point for Thor, morally speaking. 

And while I’m at it, things like this are precisely why I love Thor as much as I love Loki, and see them as a matched set.  They are complementary and, at their best, symbiotic, and Thor (written correctly) is every bit as much an interesting, flawed character learning to atone as Loki is.  And this is why I don’t know what to say when people accuse me of “stanning” Loki and “hating” Thor.  I don’t.  I just see them as having DIFFERENT KINDS of flaws, and Thor as, while not ENDING that way, STARTING OUT in a position of greater social advantage (rather like how BLM people say “we aren’t saying all lives don’t matter, we’re drawing attention to this particular case of oppression, and how white people will never have to worry about certain TYPES of hardship”: in this scenario, Thor is the white guy. That doesn’t mean Thor isn’t a wonderful person, or that Thor doesn’t also LEGIT suffer A LOT). 

It’s unfortunate that the fandom likes to pit them against each other. Maybe now that Loki has literally died to save Thor’s life, and Thor has made it his remaining goal in life to avenge Loki (and his people), it will become clear what a functioning unit they are. 

Hello :) Could you elaborate on this: #Loki loves women who can beat his ass)#and men)#but especially women tbh because)#he admires ANYONE who can INVERT A POWER DYNAMIC).I love your meta but I’m not sure I understand what do you mean with the power dynamic and why he loves people who can beat him? Thank you and I sincerely (maybe naively) hope Taika and co didn’t butcher Loki’s character and you (and us all) will be able to enjoy the movie :)

//Oh yes okay so! 

SO SORRY THIS GOT BURIED ALMOST A YEAR AGO, FOR STARTERS. If you’re still following me, kudos to you lmao <333

1) A “power dynamic” just means the relationship, with its ups and downs, between two people.  It’s vaguely Marxist in origin ( “all relationships are those of power exchanges” ) but social and cultural theorists apply it more broadly now, to analyze situations in which there is a person in power (not just personal power, but institutional power, meaning government, educational, market-based, religious, etc) and a person in less power.  The power can come from more legitimate sources (like did you do more training for a job than someone else, affording you a promotion at work when they didn’t get one–although even that can be because you started out with more money and had better access to educational opportunities, but that’s for a whooooole other meta), or from illegitimate and hateful sources (like racism, sexism, homophobia, etc).  Power dynamics often shift with the time and place.  

2) When I say Loki likes to “invert a power dynamic,” I mean that, as a Trickster archetype (like prime symbol/example of a Thing), Loki is drawn to chaos and change naturally.  Meaning he likes to reverse the usual order of things.  

3) So, applying that to gender: in a society that privileges not necessarily men over women, but definitely masculinity over femininity, Loki would rather see feminine traits and qualities (like magical uuuuuse 8) ) exalted and placed in power.  

4) So he isn’t threatened by women in power.  Look at how much he admired his mother Frigga, for starters.  Secondly, as a queer genderfluid character (canonically) who is often himself a woman, he happily welcomes a woman to kick his ass in more ways than one X) 

“Beloved,” Balthazar begins as he sautés onions and garlic with a Chardonnay, “do you think we might go for a visit to my vessel’s manor? We met there for lunch that time when our shepherd had finals, loads of sheep and lavender fields? It’s supposed to be warm this weekend,” he explains, “and Thea’s just big enough that she might like to splash about the wading pool at the river and make some new animal friends.”

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Loki lifts his head from the book in which he’s been scribbling furiously fastidious notes; it’s a tome on advanced Midgardian herbology, one he pulled from the shelf in his ever-growing “Subsidiary Library” in Balthazar’s home, in order to examine his lover’s spice closet.  He’s secure in the knowledge that the angel will be unfazed by this dissection of his domestic interior.

“Mn?” he hums, and slips over, closing the book in the process.

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“Oh-hoooo, now, doesn’t that smell delicious,” he croons, while his arms slide around Balthazar’s waist, rubbing expertly seductive circles on his belly and pectorals.  He rests his sharp chin on his shoulder. “M-hm. M-hm.  M-HM.  I see.  And whyever would I say no to such a pastoral outing?”