What about the people that cope with incest shipping? I know that I do, same with rape. I see things from a different perspective when reading about ships like that and it makes coping with and understanding what happened to me easier. Not so suffocating and personal. You judge us because you know someone this has happened to and throw other victims under the bus for it. I don’t know how you can feel good and righteous about that. Like you are higher and better than us lowling, dirty survivors.

// I am not higher than any survivor because I am a survivor myself (albeit of other forms of chronic illness and abuse).  Nor is any survivor “dirty”: only the perpetrator. Unfortunately survivors can be unintentionally complicit in the abuse of other survivors. 

 I have said that i will not respond to further Asks of this nature, but I will respond to this ask as clarification.

I would never judge victims of incest for using whatever coping mechanism is at their disposal, that they find effective in alleviating their suffering. Roleplaying is used by many professional therapists to precisely this end.

Where the line is crossed is when victims who benefit from incest in fiction use their coping mechanisms publicly, encourage those incest pairings broadly across a fandom, and in doing so, expose other victims, who are TRIGGERED by exposure to the subject.  

What’s important for you to understand here is that NOT ALL VICTIMS OF ABUSE COPE WITH THE ABUSIVE EVENT IN THE SAME WAY (not shouting, just bold and caps for emphasis). And just as you ask that I respect your coping mechanisms, you need to respect the coping mechanisms of other victims, which may necessitate full avoidance of what helps YOU cope. 

Regardless, I am sorry for what happened to you, and I wish you wellness in the wake of that reprehensible crime done against you.  

how do you think the relationship between jessica and kilgrave compares to the relationship between the doctor and the master? (i do know the difference and one is slightly more healthy than the other)

masterfulxxrhythm:

//I have had this in my inbox for a month and struggled over whether it was sent by a Kilgrave stan (in which case I have no interest in answering) or by someone who wants to use this as an informative discourse on degrees of abuse in fictional relationships, and the damage it can do to explore them. 

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are the latter.  Here is a somewhat truncated answer to your question.   

Let me make it clear from the outset: there are few fictional characters I despise more than Kevin Kilgrave.  David Tennant played him with chilling brilliance:  he is the quintessential entitled white perpetrator of rape culture, and serial rapist in his own right.  He is unconscionable and morally unsalvageable, even taking the entirety of his backstory into consideration.  

If I thought that the Master was capable of that specific TYPE of moral depravity, I would never have taken him up as a muse.  Yes, he in many ways fits the profile: he is obsessed with control, he is possessive, and he lacks a basic capacity for empathy, even at times with those whom he professes to love.  However, as a creator of media, however humble, I am ETHICALLY OBLIGATED either to be VERY responsible in my portrayal of rape (looking at YOU, Downton Abbey, bless you), certain to condemn it while continuing to protect the humanization of the victim rather than making her a conduit for shock value (looking at YOU, Game of Thrones, damn you), OR I must omit that content altogether. I have, on this blog, chosen the latter route. 

 I do NOT believe that the Master should be transformed into a rapist, nor do I believe he would enjoy being one:  it is MUCH more gratifying to him to be able to persuade people using his astonishing capacity for emotional and psychological manipulation, for SUGGESTION rather than COMMAND, to do what he asks, rather than to outright coerce them.  An excellent example is his relationship with poor Lucy Saxon, whom he mesmerized with the sheer force of his persuasive ability, and did NOT mind control, yet she was putty in his hands, and certainly a form of victim.   The Master WANTS to be WANTED; he wants to believe that people are fawning over him rapturously of their own volition, or else what’s the point of their worship? This is why, for instance, Missy has repeatedly tried to toxically maneuver the Twelfth Doctor into her arms, from a distance, pulling strings and setting up chains of events that could, or could not, go her way. See the entirety of Clara Osswald’s run.  The Master thrives much more on the danger and risk of chance than on being SURE of WINNING.  This is what makes him/her a Chaotic Evil. 

That’s a primary difference between Kilgrave and the Master: Kilgrave, even when he claims to want Jessica to “choose” him, goes to extraordinary lengths to rig the game so that her consent to her body, her actions, her thoughts, all her  favorite places, activities, and associations, are contaminated by his omnipresence, even buying and masquerading married life in her childhood home which was her PTSD-related coping link to a secure time before he began to abuse her (she would recite the streets in her childhood neighborhood to calm down from a PTSD episode, and he revoked even that).  The Master intentionally affords his targets, particularly the Doctor, more leeway, more freedom of will.  He wants to win the chess game fair and square. He loves the thrill of the challenge of a mind equal in competence and skill to his own.  It gives him more to brag about when he wins.  

Another primary difference, perhaps more important still, is the gender of the “victim” and the relative odds stacked against them:

–Jessica is a woman, and Kilgrave is a man.  The Master and Doctor are both men.  Women are far more likely to be the victims of rape than men; not only statistically, but the whole fabric of modern society is built on outrageously inaccurate and inequitable premises that make women somehow culpable for being sexually violated: everything from verbal harassment to rape. How they dress, how they act–”smile, Jessica”–and so on and so forth, are all ammunition men (and even other women, with internalized misogyny!) use to build cases against the victim.  Though men are certainly victimized as well, the very fact that Jessica is a woman makes her situation with Kilgrave a hundred thousand times worse, and more pertinent to real incidents of abuse.  

–  Kilgrave is capable of wholly eclipsing Jessica’s agency, and rendering her his slave, in mind and body.  The Master and the Doctor are EQUALLY MATCHED in terms of power and ability.  That’s kind of the whole point of their iconography, of their tropes of “two sides of one coin,” “best enemies,” “arch nemeses,” and so on.  

Honestly, there is also the simple fact that, in canon, the Master has never raped the Doctor.  Simple, but profound.  He has attempted physical and emotional violence on him, but not once when he had the Doctor under his control, did he violate him in this most profound of manners. 

I have more points, but they are fine tuned examples of the larger issues I’ve already raised. I hope this is helpful! 

//I got this question on my Master blog, and while this is a Loki blog, I wanted to reblog it here because I want people to be clear on how I feel about Kilgrave.  I’m frankly not interested in interacting with Kilgrave muses.  Way too triggering.  Thanks for understanding.  

darnpool:

ok i wasnt going to comment but i know how fast misinformation spreads on this site and how many of yall just hate checking sources before taking things as facts. and im going to try to do this without spoiling anything.

there are not rape jokes in the Deadpool movie. 

one of the scenes ppl keep talking about is when Negasonic Teenage Warhead hits Angel Dust and Deadpool says ‘i feel bad for anyone who tries to pressure her into prom sex’. hes not joking about date rape. he is literally saying she is going to beat the shit out of anyone who tries to pressure her into doing something she doesnt want to do. 

at another point Wade and another character are talking about their own abusive childhood lives. they are talking about their OWN abuse. this also happens in the comics in which Wade was both physically and sexually abused as a child and he tries to joke it off. hes trying to make light of his own abuse.

i know a lot of people have said they arent going to watch the movie bc of that post claiming there are tons of rape jokes and yall just need to talk with people who have actually seen the movie before you make snap judgements. 

i’m happy to talk with anyone who is still nervous or needs something clarified. 

#i’m glad to see this clarification#please do not dogpile on the op of the other post because she is a survivor who felt that the movie was hurtful#it’s not misinformation so much as a difference in interpretation#but more info and clarification is always good (via siriustachi)

I felt that these tags needed to be added, so I reblogged this once more. I have a lot of followers wondering and worrying about this. 

alykatification:

glass-hal0:

isotoperuption:

scotchtapeofficial:

vrixie:

thetransbutch:

imnotstandingstill:

sxeli:

vereamidala:

hey I just saw deadpool and theres an upsetting amount of rape jokes in it. stay safe

apparently there’s also a transmisogynist joke in there

I’m not surprised

BECAUSE OF COURSE THERE IS

The worst part about this besides that fact that they did this, is those are the two kinds of jokes the deadpool comics purposefully never had because they knew where to draw the line.

ok i just got out of deadpool and i didn’t see any transmisogyny at all? like, whatsoever. i was trying to find where there were supposedly “an upsetting amount of rape jokes” and i didn’t catch a single one my dude. like, maybe let’s not just immediately spread misinformation with literally zero evidence whatsoever.
you can’t just toss around accusations like that.

I just got out of it myself, there is ZERO rape jokes and not a single transmisogynist joke at all. If anything the movie stayed faithful to the comics. It was a great movie. Go see it.

Oh thank god

Originally posted by yokes93

Hello my lord! Being a lover of mischief and pranks, I’m wondering, what do you think of Sam Pepper? If you don’t know who he is, he’s an infamous “prankster” who is known for doing terrible things to strangers while claiming to be “pranking” them. A recent one is where he kidnapped a boy and pretended to murder his best friend in front of him. He’s also assaulted women while claiming it was just a social experiment after severe backlash.

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           “Tricksters have their honor codes as well, mortal.  The cardinal
            rule of honorable pranking is to target only those who are bullies,
            unsavory sorts, and otherwise deserving of the wrath that can
            be conjured in the name of ‘mere jest.’  I find it difficult to imagine
            women and children to deserve the cruelty that you have just
            described regardless of the context.  This ‘Sam Pepper’ cretin
            deserves to be one of MY victims.”  

News Flash

theprettyfeminist:

Criticizing a director’s problematic career does not translate to hate. If Joss Whedon can’t handle people criticizing his work, then he needs to stop working.

Also, word of advice, if you want people to stop accusing you of being racist or sexist, then you might want to stay away from the following:

  • Having the lead female protagonist of your show almost raped by her love interest and then have the showrunner praise the rapist as being his favorite character and having the best character development (Spike, Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
  • Plan to have a prostitute gang raped to feed into the character development of her male love interest (Inara, Firefly)
  • Have a show that heavily features Asian culture and religions, but then fail to cast any Asian actors (Firefly)
  • Claim that having Asian actors was unnecessary because one of your white actors “kind of looked Asian.” (Summer Glau, Firefly)
  • Fire your lead actress for getting pregnant and then spend the next season shitting all over her character (Charisma Carpenter, Angel)
  • Inviting that lead actress to come back to the show, promising her that she’ll stick around until the final episode, only to turn around and kill her character off at the last moment as revenge (Charisma Carpenter, Angel)
  • Creating the single most racist depiction of a black female character by making her violent, savage, animalistic and so dumb that she isn’t even able to speak, and then reveal that the way she became the first slayer, was by having a group of old men force a demon into her body without her consent (The First Slayer, Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
  • Have one of the most popular female superheroes referred to as a “cunt” by the main villain (Natasha Romanoff, Avengers)
  • Claim that because a female character was unable to have children, that she was considered a monster (Natasha Romanoff, Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Taking one of the strongest female superheroes in the MCU and turning her into an outlet for her male love interest to pour his man angst all over and then completely dump her in the end without any expression of gratitude for all she did for him (Natasha Romanoff, Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Have one of the most popular superheroes in the MCU joke about raping women (Tony Stark, Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Feature two characters who were originally of Jewish-Romani descent and then have them whitewashed by hiring white actors to play them (Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Having two Jewish-Romani characters volunteer for a Nazi organization, despite the fact that Jewish and Romani people were victims of the Holocaust (Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Have the audacity to redefine feminism and re-brand it because he found feminism distasteful.
  • Constantly using the “break the cutie” trope to punish his supposedly “strong female characters.” (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, Avengers: Age of Ultron)
  • Using the threat of sexual violence against his lead female protagonists on multiple occasions (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, Avengers)

Check yourself, fandom. These criticisms of Joss Whedon’s work have been long-standing and are completely valid. So, before you get on your high horse and try to accuse his detractors of being bitter fangirls, take a look at all the fucked up shit your problematic fav has said and done, and then we’ll talk.

aleatoryw:

transthot:

i’m not trying to limit anyone’s “creativity” or whatever but like

  • don’t write about mental illnesses you know nothing about
  • 10 out 10 times self harm isn’t cured by a boy saying “i love you”
  • inform people about possible trigger warnings
  • rape/non-con isn’t a kink
  • pedophilia/underage isn’t a kink

READ IT. THEN READ IT AGAIN.

johntavares:

frxzensqueen:

You know what I’m just gonna start unfollowing (and possibly blocking) anyone who hates on the Kilgrave/Jessica ship. You don’t ship it? FINE! As I said before I completely understand and respect your resentment towards the ship but why do you feel the need to constantly hate on it?! You don’t see me consistently posting anti posts about Jessica/Luke just because I don’t ship it. What’s even worse is people are now using how “toxic” there relationship is to prove a point! Again I understand why you think it’s toxic but please stop the hate especially if it’s directed at certain users. Thank you.

he literally raped her and made her murder people and used anyone she cared about against her “toxic” doesn’t even begin to describe how disgusting their relationship is and it’s frankly insulting and offensive that you “ship” an abuser and his victim. 

people feel the need to “constantly hate on it” because it’s actively awful and disgusting and kilgrave is the human embodiment of misogyny and violence against women so i feel like the hate is justified when you’re shipping him with a strong and complex female character who suffers from severe ptsd because of him and his actions… i mean that’s next level fucked up when the entire premise of the show is her being able to fight back against her abuser and against the ways he’s tortured her and hurt everyone around her… honestly get help if you think that’s any kind of relationship worth supporting in any way like genuinely. get help. it’s not about ship wars vs luke/jess it’s quite literally about the fact that kilgrave is an irredeemable and disgusting rapist/murderer

//OP: please block me.  You are VERY creepy and I will CERTAINLY be blocking YOU.  

opalescentlesbian:

jalehh:

I find it very problematic when people acknowledge that Kilgrave is a rapist, abuser, murderer, stalker etc. But then turn around and complain that he is – wait for it – too pretty for doing all this! And that someone ugly should have been casted for the role

I mean have these people looked into the sexual offender registries? There’re many people in there who’d be considered pretty and some even have an english accent and have done the most vile things one can imagine!

Here is a novel idea, the fact that someone is pretty doesn’t stop them from stalking, raping and murdering people! Likewise ugly people are pretty decent people. How about one pays attention to the actions of someone and not only to the fact that there is a pretty face on the person.

I’m so very glad that Jessica Jones destroys so many tropes and misconceptions about assault, rape and stalking that we normaly see in the media. As evidenced much what is put on the screen is harmful and furthers rape culture.

this is an intimately gendered issue as well. “femme fatales” are a huge thing, whereby it’s blatantly shown that beauty can hide terrible intentions, but as soon as it’s a dude, it’s an issue?

//I literally said this to a friend the other day.  Yes to the max. 

Casting a character with a charming, handsome actor who’s so well liked by his fandom is precisely what the Jessica Jones staff should have done. It’s precisely the way to call out and handle rape culture because WE THE AUDIENCE are led to constantly CATCH OURSELVES in the process of thinking “aw, maybe he’s not all that bad, maybe there’s a glimmer of redemption to him,” which is precisely how sexual abusers manipulate victims into letting them become repeat offenders.  We achieve empathy with the thought process of gaslit victims via this device.  It’s a brilliant casting choice. 

opalescentlesbian:

okay but given what i’ve absorbed from just seeing shit on my dash it is fundamentally disturbing that people are shipping killgrave with a n y o n e jfc, he is a sexual predator who would not be healthy for any other human being

it just goes to a Disturbing and Wrong level of OVER 9000 when it’s with jessica

//Same.